19:28:33	 From David Nicholls : The image of the soldiers reminds me of the ‘drilling’ we used to do with children to teach them to be ‘upright’ citizens.  (David Armstrong’s book ‘A New History of Identity’ is great on this.
19:34:09	 From Beck  To  David Nicholls(privately) : Thank you so much for hosting this. Sadly, I have to log out but look forward to seeing a playback of this and other sessions in this series.
19:35:33	 From Hazel : I'n thinking of the violence noted in ontology relates to  'symbolic violence' as expressed by Bourdieu..
19:36:16	 From Hazel : Sorry, correction I'm thinking of how the violence noted....
19:46:15	 From thenakedphysio : Pardon my likely misunderstanding of this. If we explore physiotherapy’s “otherness” are we potentially coming full circle of what Levinas was suggesting about what is ethical, in this case, in physiotherapy? Which might mean that we don’t  have physiotherapy as a profession at all.. Ooo-er sorry!
19:48:01	 From Kirstin : I think the really hard side of ‘accepting’ this concept is that (probably because I was brought up/educated by western philosophy), I cannot see an example of not perpetrating violence on the other. I guess I interpret it as, if I think, I am imposing myself on the other
19:49:41	 From David Nicholls : From Me to thenakedphysio: (Privately) (07:49 PM)
That’s the massive challenge of all of this isn’t it Kirstin.  If we accept the unethical nature of our practice, what’s left?
19:54:09	 From David Nicholls : And of course the paradox of this is that if we accept Levinas’s argument, and then search for another way to ‘be’, we are at risk of reproducing the same violence that got us here in the first place?
19:54:57	 From thenakedphysio : Yes Dave, I believe that echoes my thoughts
19:55:44	 From Kirstin : I love the idea of being comfortable with the ‘not knowing’ but that has taken me years to start to be comfortable with…
20:00:59	 From thenakedphysio : Yes agreed Kirstin, I would see that as embracing uncertainty in my practice, to not overly influence or impose what might be perceived as “the right way to do things” according to what physiotherapy is understood to be.
20:01:25	 From Kirstin : Is this more about taking a step back from ‘doing to’ more about ‘being with’?
20:02:01	 From David Nicholls : “Not knowing is always more thrilling than knowing. Not-knowing is where hope and art and possibility and invention come from.  It is not-knowing, that old, old thing, the allows everything to be renewed”. Anthony Doerr ‘Four Seasons in Rome’
20:04:21	 From David Nicholls : It’s interesting that so much of our training moves from knowing to being comfortable with not knowing.  Is this about pushing that to its (il)logical conclusion?
20:06:23	 From David Nicholls  To  Karien I know I am very late(privately) : Hi Karien.  Glad you could join us.
20:07:09	 From Karien I know I am very late  To  David Nicholls(privately) : Thank you.
20:11:59	 From Hazel : But are patient's always powerless?
20:12:42	 From Hazel : ignore the apostrophe there ;-)
20:13:54	 From Kirstin : Ok, to be provocative here - what about the power of the patient and their ‘violence’ toward the physiotherapist and their intension/action ...
20:17:24	 From Kirstin : Thank you!
20:19:02	 From Hazel : Thank you Filip - thought provoking 
20:19:35	 From thenakedphysio : Thank you Filip very interesting!
20:19:51	 From Aaron Marshall : Thanks for the presentation tonight Filip - a challenging topic for a late NZ night (The Whisky helped too) Very thought provoking.
20:20:16	 From annegl : Thanks for an interesting talk :-)
20:20:31	 From David Nicholls : We did say we wanted to challenge how we think (in a safe, happy, non threatening way) 😁
20:20:55	 From Karien I know I am very late : Thank you so much!
20:21:35	 From Ragnar Faleij : Thank you!
20:22:06	 From stefan : thanks for this interesting hour
20:22:17	 From filipmaric : Thanks to everyone!
20:22:31	 From Karien I know I am very late : A round table will be fantastic (as well as the enviro initiative. I've excitedly joined)  From South Africa
20:22:45	 From Aaron Marshall : Thank you to everyone - great group speakers and those who have added to the experience with their thoughts too!