06:57:31 From Aaron Marshall : I’m up too! 06:57:44 From Tobba : Morning! 06:57:49 From Aaron Marshall : Not sure what that says about my mind Dave 06:58:08 From Aaron Marshall : Rather not!! Haha 07:00:49 From filipmaric : Sorry struggling with the audio 07:00:52 From filipmaric : But Oslo 07:00:54 From filipmaric : Yes 07:00:58 From Tobba : hi Fillip - coming to Norway soon? 07:01:22 From Tobba : Looking forward to see you around 07:02:35 From filipmaric : Same Tobba, very much so :) 07:08:11 From DawnLaptop : I like the first picture it speaks of particiaption 07:11:59 From David Nicholls : A lot about power here 07:13:23 From David Nicholls : How much is this about gender and how much about disability? Or is it intersectional? 07:20:01 From filipmaric : I wonder why there is so much more focus on sexuality in the pictures, rather than (diversity in) ability? It’s certainly an important category, but is it necessarily the principal one? 07:22:07 From David Nicholls : All so heteronormative too. 07:22:24 From UManitoba Rehab : striking how many queer families there were though 07:22:39 From UManitoba Rehab : that's a big change\ 07:24:17 From David Nicholls : Yes, and non Eurocentric/white 07:25:21 From filipmaric : I was wonering for example why there was not an image of a carpenter who happens to have a prosthetic leg, or, e.g. this morning I was watching a video on a mountain biker who is blind 07:27:03 From Aaron Marshall : Is it possible that the focus on sexuality is based around being provocative, creating discomfort, as this is an area where those in the mainstream may have to question their emotional response more? (A “makes-ya-think” process) 07:27:47 From UManitoba Rehab : of note, though, is that the algorithms show different 'nuclear families' to different searchers 07:30:34 From Devorah Shubowitz : Alice Sheppard, a dancer in a wheelchair states that "technology should maximize impairment not minimize it" She sees her wheelchair as an artform rather than a tool of impairment. There are communities who do not necessarily want to be viewed as able bodied but valued as different 07:32:38 From Devorah Shubowitz : It seems very important to ask who creates these images and why. 07:33:20 From David Nicholls to Devorah Shubowitz (Privately) : I’ll come back to this at the end Devorah. 07:36:02 From David Nicholls to Nicky (Privately) : Hi Nicky. Lovely to see you :0) 07:36:36 From Nicky to David Nicholls (Privately) : Hello lovely Dave.. trains on strike so just in the door! 07:44:05 From Nicky : still here Tobba! Loving the dog..! 07:45:30 From UManitoba Rehab : Question: re Law/Moser part of what they ask is *where* does this order occur, isn't it? 07:46:52 From Roos : Thanks very much for this session, it is incredibly interesting! Unfortunately I have to leave soon, apologies; where will we be able to review the recording? Wouldn't want to miss it. 07:47:27 From David Nicholls : All of the material from the talk will be up on criticalphysio.net early next week. Thanks for joining in. 07:47:42 From Roos : Thank you David! 07:49:04 From DawnLaptop : How do you think in research we can ethically use images to protect or provoke a response?- I have used images with disabled children in my PhD as you showed 07:50:10 From David Nicholls : Great comments/questions folks…I promise I’ll come back to these after Tobba’s finished her talk. 07:59:31 From bhanuramaswamy : There is often a push for ‘acceptance’ of people with any sort of body around and after the paralympics - I remember seeing this of a woman diving: https://inhabitat.com/artist-sue-austin-creates-a-prototype-self-propelled-underwater-wheelchair/ in her wheelchair. Lots of discussion about whether there should only be one Olympics event vs the two 07:59:53 From Aydee Luisa : how our education systems are help and promote the patologycal discourse, practice and policies about person in dishabilty situation? 08:00:32 From Aydee Luisa : Thanks!!!! 08:00:46 From Rona Macdonald : Thankyou! 08:01:31 From dave walton : Thank you for the session! I'm afraid I must sign off, but lots to digest here. 08:02:56 From filipmaric : Apologies from me as well, but I have to go. Thanks for a great session Tobba. Ser deg snart! :) 08:03:14 From David Nicholls : Thanks Filip, Dave, Rona…see you soon 08:11:29 From Aydee Luisa : place is perspective! 08:17:12 From Adriane : Thanks for the great talk Tobba! Unfortunately I have to go. 08:18:04 From David Nicholls : Bye Adriane. Thanks for joining in. 08:24:03 From Kirstin : Once again, thank you Tobba for a a wonderfully thought-provoking presentation/discussion!Have to head off to work now, K 08:24:58 From Devorah Shubowitz to David Nicholls (Privately) : In response to Tobba, in a sense she makes a great point about special ethics in IRBs, but ethics generally is an important issue because people with disabilitities have been exploited, defined, and chategorized ethics about imaging is important perhaps in a different way than the normals, perhaps normals are exploited just as much but differently. That is super interesting. In terms of non-disabled using images of diabled people, Ssay a PT wants to use an image of a person she works with, she would need permission. It seems that permission and consent needs to be unpacked and what the IRB category of "vunerable" populations does to disabled populations? 08:25:00 From David Nicholls : Thanks Kirstin 08:25:52 From UManitoba Rehab : thanks Tobba! 08:26:04 From Aaron Marshall : Thanks Tobba! Great, thought provoking topic once again. 08:26:20 From Devorah Shubowitz to David Nicholls (Privately) : Thank you! 08:26:21 From David Nicholls to Devorah Shubowitz (Privately) : Do you want me to share that comment Devorah? 08:27:19 From David Nicholls : “What matters to people, not what’s the matter with them” Lovely way to end… 08:29:11 From DawnLaptop : Thank you for the opportunity to explore thinking differently about disability, until next time, Dawn 08:29:14 From Aydee Luisa : Thank you!!!! 08:29:17 From Nicky : yes - thank you Tobba 08:29:28 From Tobba : Thank you everyone for joining! 08:29:42 From Rona Macdonald : right, time for some more feeding reading.. R 08:30:27 From Rona Macdonald : Soo appreciate this 08:31:03 From bhanuramaswamy : Really enjoyed the session thank you, as you really have to think more widely about how the matrix you showed should engender further thoughts into who we see, and what they want/expect from us as physiotherapists. 08:31:24 From Devorah Shubowitz to David Nicholls (Privately) : No worries, it was me thinking aloud and I was not sure how to make it public. Thank you so much for thiese courses. 08:31:28 From Aydee Luisa : Bye.... 08:31:36 From Aaron Marshall : ‘Till next month! 08:31:37 From UManitoba Rehab : see you all again soon